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jared530 09-02-2011 05:45 AM

Investment Whiskeys?
 
I'm 21 and want to start buying 4-5 bottles a month as investment whiskeys. Ill buy 2 of the same, one for drinking, and one for putting down into the cellar.

What single malts should i be interested in? Reputable brand? Younger or older ages? Or is it pretty much lucky projection?

Any help would be awesome

jwise 09-03-2011 06:48 PM

The only ones that I know of that actually go up in value are the ones that are discontinued. Let's say Balvenie discontinues the 21yr Portwood. I (and many others) would begin purchasing as many bottles as we could find and/or afford. If you happen to have a bottle you purchased last year for $160, it might be worth twice that in a few years (once the supply is completely gone).

However, that is a lucky projection, since there is no reason to believe the Balvenie will discontinue that expression.

On the other hand, we know very well that some bottlings are destined to be discontinued, as they are vintages (eg., Glenrothes), or independent bottlings. The tricky thing about these is that while they will be discontinued, they may not demand all that much once they are.

Good luck with your purchases! Please understand that you may be the one drinking them in 20 years, so buy the ones you enjoy!

blenderm 09-03-2011 09:43 PM

You'd be better investing in bottles of Coke, whiskies aren't for making money on but for enjoying.

There's no guarantee that next year, yet alone in 5 or 10 years, that any bottle of whisky will increase in value. This market has been fuelled by authors and magazine writers so that they can earn money by writing about it.

oscarswanson 01-31-2013 12:50 AM

I am fairly new to reading about Scotch Whisky, I read in a few places that Belvenie tun 1401 batch 3 was an excellent Scotch and that people found out how good it was, didn't get a chance to buy it because it was a total of1800 bottles and sold out quickly.
I was visiting a local store and low and behold there's a bottle of this on the top shelf.
$220.00. I bought it and went back four times for more over the next week or two.
Then looking for more I was told by one store owner that none of this whisky was allocated for minnesota and was suprised I found it in this state.
I was on a mission to find more and did pick up two more bottles at another store that specilizes in scotch.
I see it at auctions now for at close to $800.00.
Did I get lucky? I think so.
Do you?
Oscar

michael 01-31-2013 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jwise (Post 59068)
The only ones that I know of that actually go up in value are the ones that are discontinued. Let's say Balvenie discontinues the 21yr Portwood. I (and many others) would begin purchasing as many bottles as we could find and/or afford. If you happen to have a bottle you purchased last year for $160, it might be worth twice that in a few years (once the supply is completely gone).

This is correct. Macallan last year discontinued their Cask Strength. Not only is it one of my favorite, I am stocking up on it where ever I and find them. They will go up in value.

http://www.whisky.com/images/cask.jpg

snikt 01-31-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by michael (Post 118232)
This is correct. Macallan last year discontinued their Cask Strength. Not only is it one of my favorite, I am stocking up on it where ever I and find them. They will go up in value.

http://www.whisky.com/images/cask.jpg

They did? I've seen them in the local grocery store

michael 01-31-2013 08:11 PM

Last Nov. Macallan told us they discontinued the Cask Strength. You should buy it. One to try and maybe more to save.

http://www.macallanwhisky.com/?p=76

snikt 01-31-2013 10:16 PM

The one I've seen just says Macallan cask strength on it, doesn't have a year dating. Is that the same thing? Its like $75

michael 02-01-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by snikt (Post 118245)
The one I've seen just says Macallan cask strength on it, doesn't have a year dating. Is that the same thing? Its like $75

yes, and that's the right price.

Jojo 02-01-2013 03:21 PM

I second the Macallan cask strength. It's a great scotch. If you can find it, buy and enjoy!

snikt 02-01-2013 08:15 PM

I notice the Macallan fine oak 10 year is also discontinued which I have seen here in abundance, is that worth picking up as well or is that one not as good?

snikt 02-02-2013 12:33 AM

Picked up a cask strength, the grocery store had like 8 left. It must take awhile for the stock to be depleted?

SMC1969 02-04-2013 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jared530 (Post 58995)
I'm 21 and want to start buying 4-5 bottles a month as investment whiskeys. Ill buy 2 of the same, one for drinking, and one for putting down into the cellar.

What single malts should i be interested in? Reputable brand? Younger or older ages? Or is it pretty much lucky projection?

Any help would be awesome


If you can afford to buy any annual or special release of The Macallan go for it.
I have bought 2x of the 18yr annual release, I have 90,91,92,93 & 94 they are a great drink and you should make money in around 5years +.
I am lucky enough to have the last 3 Easter Elchies releases and miniatures, they have increased in value lately.

Best advice I can give is buy what you would drink, if it it does not make money after about 3 years, crack it open.
Cheers

HelpfulDrinker 02-05-2013 12:50 AM

Here are some things you should consider before making any serious investments in whisky.

- What sort of return on investment are you hoping for?
- How will you sell your collection?
- What amount of commissions and fees are you expecting to pay?
- How will you transport it to the buyer or auctioneer, and what will the cost be? Who will bear the risk of shipping?
- Have you allowed for the inevitable bottles in your collection that will *not* appreciate in value that much?
- Have you included storage expenses, insurance premiums, and your opportunity costs of collecting?
- Have you factored in capital gains tax? You can't make a ton of money and then hide it from Uncle Sam.
- After figuring out your net returns, have you considered how that money might have performed if invested elsewhere?

Most people don't think about this stuff.

drakoskl 02-07-2013 11:31 AM

Whisky can be a great investment but as any other investment needs research. You can't buy bottles from a supermarket and expect to make money from them. If you do that's pure luck. You need to focus on limited editions , travel retail only, closed distilleries , distillery only bottles, single casks from specific distilleries, whisky festival special releases etc.

Atlantic Edge Scotland 02-07-2013 01:37 PM

Hi, i am Scottish and have lived in Scotland all my life. The nearest distillery to me is Glengoyne, 10 minutes along the road. Well worth a try if you have not already. I am not an expert on whisky but collectable bottles are for example and as others have said, whiskys from a distillery that has since closed down, making them extremely rare. Another possible investment is a single cask where there are no other whiskys blended in with it. Also look out for special editions that have a limited number of bottles with each bottle having a number and certificate of authenticity. It also depends on how much you are willing to spend. I had a look at a 40 year old Glengoyne for a friends birthday and it was £2,500! Got him a 21 year old instead! :)


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